Showing posts with label Katadyn. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Katadyn. Show all posts

Tuesday, May 1, 2012

Katadyn Hiker Field Maintenance Kit

Katadyn Hiker Field Maintenance Kit Review



Improves long-term performance of Hiker Microfilter FEATURES of the Hiker Field Maintenance Kit by Katadyn Cleanable filter protector extends cartridge life in challenging conditions Deluxe carry bag upgrades older style bag and protects microfilter Silicon lubricant keeps parts moving smoothly Replacement o-rings for cartridge and pump handle This product can only be shipped within the United States. Please don't hate us.


Saturday, March 10, 2012

Katadyn Base Camp Water Filter

Katadyn Base Camp Water Filter Review



Katadyn Base Camp Water Filter Feature

  • The convenient (and lazy) way for safe potable drinking water - just fill and hang
  • No pumping required - ideal for camping, backpacking, canoeing, paddling, etc.
  • Produces up to 2.5 gallons of treated water in just 15 minutes
  • Uses field cleanable Hiker PRO cartridge
  • Filters 200+ gallons of water (more when using Filter Protector)
From Backpackgeartest.org
The Katadyn Base Camp filter is a gravity feed filter system that utilizes a bag that is filled with unfiltered water, hung, and allows gravity to feed the water through the filter media into a water container. It is one of Katadyn's Backcountry Series of filters.

Initial Impressions
The Katadyn Base Camp filter arrived at my home packaged in an attractive display box. The box contained the filter bag, filter cartridge, lock ring for filter cartridge, hose, hose valve, and a small plastic bag containing the instruction book, a small tube of silicone lubricant, and a sponge.

My initial impression of the product, based solely on its appearance and packaging, was that it seemed to be an attractive and well-designed unit. The bag is similar in construction to a dry bag (a nylon material coated on the inside, with a top that rolls down and buckles to close). The bag has a plastic insert at the bottom to accept the filter. I find the bright blue color to be attractive, and feel it strikes a good balance between being unobtrusive during an outdoor experience, yet still bright enough that I'm unlikely to lose it by not noticing I left it in camp. A close examination of the bag revealed what appears to me to be soundly welded seams in the bag, good stitching where the straps and buckles are located, and a well-constructed unit.

The filter itself is a pleated material (much like an air filter in a car) mounted in an otherwise plastic cylinder. The manufacturer's website describes this filter material as a glass fiber. Over the pleated surface was wrapped what the manufacturer refers to as a filter protector (a very fine mesh screen) that is held on by a cylinder of plastic mesh. The filter and filter protector seem to be constructed in keeping with the simple design of the unit as a whole.

The shutoff valve is a simple plastic clip that slides over the discharge hose, and can be pinched to stop the flow, or released to allow filtration.

Reading the Instructions
The instruction manual was very straightforward, with good line drawings and text explanations. There are two omissions I noticed. First was the lack of an explanation surrounding the installation and operation of the hose valve, though I found this to be self-explanatory. The second omission was any explanation of the purpose of the sponge provided, though I have been told it is for cleaning the filter protector. Instructions were included in English and French, and covered product set-up, normal operation, field performance tips, long-term storage, cartridge capacity, replacement cartridge installation, product registration, and warranty information (along with basic information on water filtration).

In the field performance tips section the manual describes how to temporarily clean the filter cartridge in the field should it become clogged, a process I hope to try out while testing this product.

In addition to the manual, there is a label titled "Important Field Tips" sewn to the top of the bag that provides 6 line drawings that explain how to assemble and use the filter.

At the manufacturer's website additional information is found in the Frequently Asked Questions section. In this section I found several helpful tips, including allowing sediment to settle out of water in another container prior to filtering it, and wrapping a bandana or similar item around the filter cartridge to extend its life when filtering very dirty water.

Trying it out
I found assembly of the filter to be fairly straightforward. While at first I didn't think I would need to use the silicone lubricant to insert the cartridge into the plastic insert in the bag, I quickly realized I would need to. After lubricating the o-ring, the cartridge slid in with moderate effort. Insertion of the hose onto the filter barb took a couple of tries, as the filter barb is recessed into the base of the filter between four flanges, and I have big fingers. I found the silicone lubricant to be helpful here as well. Once these tasks were completed, I simply threaded the plastic lock ring (that prevents the filter from simply falling out) onto the flange and slipped on the hose valve and the filter was ready for use.

One note on assembly is that there is a warning in the instructions not to grasp the cartridge around the pleated surface or it could become damaged. This warning made me wonder how much caution will be required in my pack, as the filter cartridge is essentially unprotected from crushing. This is something I will monitor during field testing. Once the filter was assembled, I decided to try it out in my kitchen. The first thing I realized was that filling the bag isn't as easy as I thought it would be with one person. Even at my sink, trying to hold the bag with one hand and fill with the other was a challenge. The bag flipped closed at one point, causing the water to flow down the front of my pants. Once I figured out how to hold it to prevent that from happening, I realized the bag gets pretty heavy as it fills. I plan to try filling the filter on the ground during field testing to see if that is easier. I also wonder how realistic it will be to fill the bag directly from, for example, a lake while keeping the discharge hose out of the unfiltered water, at least by myself.

The next challenge became finding a place to hang the filter, for which I chose the back of a chair. Due to the bag being barely above the outlet end of the hose the flow was very slow, but it did confirm the operation of the filter and confirmed there were no leaks. The flow valve was easy to close and seemed to lock very securely. The valve released okay, but my big fingers made releasing a little more difficult.

I followed the instructions to filter 2 L (2.1 qt) of water to flush the filter of carbon. While the instructions noted that this water might be discolored, I wasn't expecting the first flow to be black. The carbon quickly cleared, however.

The water filtered after this initial flush was clear. I conducted a side-by-side taste test between my unfiltered tap water and the filtered tap water. There was a slight, but detectable, improvement in the filtered water's taste, which I suspect was the result of the carbon in the filter absorbing residual chlorine from my tap water.

Testing Strategy
I plan to test the filter by using it to filter all my water for the trips I take during the test period, save what I carry in at the trailhead. I am a heavy consumer of water while backpacking. Since I will be providing water for up to four people on many of my trips, this filter will see a great deal of use during the test period, likely filtering in excess of 50 gallons (189 L) of water from a broad variety of sources.

Throughout the testing I will work to evaluate the following areas:

  • Ease of use - Is the filter easy to operate? Is maintenance easy to perform? Is it easy to fill the bag? Are closures easy to operate? Is it convenient to use? What kind of flow rate can I expect under varying real-world conditions? Does the output speed decline as the filters begin to clog? Is it easy to hang?
  • Design - Does the filter work well with my usual combination of hydration bladder and bottles? Does it fit well in my pack? Are the hoses long enough to use easily where I'm able to find a place to hang it? Does it seal in the water being filtered well, or does it leak? Does the buckle and top closure seem secure? Does the hose valve work well? Does the material seem to hold up well, or does it fade or become brittle with use? Does the color of the bag tend to absorb solar heat, making the water too warm for drinking? Does the filter clog when used with nasty-looking water? Does sediment or slime from the water build up in the bag, and if so, how easy is it to clean?
  • Quality of Filtration - Do I notice any off tastes in the water? Is the water at all cloudy? Can it make tannin filled water (which is bitter-tasting from all the vegetable matter steeped in it) along the Washington coast palatable?
  • Component Quality and Reliability - Can the filter stand up to my typical use? Are there any areas prone to wear or failure? Does it reliably provide me with safe drinking water, or is it prone to failure, leaving me to resort to a chemical treatment backup? If I encounter freezing temperatures do basic precautions such as draining the filter prevent damage?

Summary
Overall the Katadyn Base Camp filter appears to be a well-constructed, well-designed filter. I look forward to evaluating its performance under real-world conditions.

The best water system for base camps, family and group camping. Perfect when large volumes of water are needed.


Monday, January 30, 2012

Katadyn Guide Replacement Cartridge

Katadyn Guide Replacement Cartridge Review



Katadyn Guide Replacement Cartridge Feature

  • The fastest microfilter - 1.5 liters/minute
  • Highest water output - perfect for individual and group trips
  • Removable field cleanable filter protector extends cartridge life in challenging conditions
  • Upgrades old Guides to allow field cleanablity
Replacement element for the Katadyn Guide Microfilter. Also fits older model PUR Scout and PUR Guide units


Thursday, January 26, 2012

Katadyn Field Maintenance Kit

Katadyn Field Maintenance Kit Review



Katadyn Field Maintenance Kit Feature

  • Cleanable filter protector extends cartridge life in challenging conditions
  • Deluxe carry bag upgrades older style bag and protects microfilter
  • Silicon lubricant keeps parts moving smoothly
  • Replacement o-rings for cartridge and pump handle
Improves long-term performance of Hiker Microfilter


Monday, January 23, 2012

Katadyn Hiker Water Microfilter

Katadyn Hiker Water Microfilter Review



Katadyn Hiker Water Microfilter Feature

  • Convenient filter for 1 to 2 persons while hiking or camping
  • Very large filter surface for fast output
  • Compact design and easy operation--fits in any backpack or travel bag
  • Small pre-filter on in-hose protects filter cartridge life in turbid water
  • Active carbon core reduces unpleasant tastes and odors from the water
The Katadyn Hiker is the best selling microfilter in the US. The lightweight and easy-to-use design make the Hiker the best choice for all-around use. The unique, pleated cartridge design provides fast and easy pumping, and it's convenient and handy for 1-2 persons while hiking or trekking.

Key Features:

  • Long lasting AntiClog pleated cartridge requires no maintenance or cleaning
  • Very large filter surface for fast output
  • Easy to use because of minimal resistance whilst pumping
  • Active carbon core reduces unpleasant tastes and odors from the water
  • Small pre-filter on in-hose protects filter cartridge life in turbid water
  • Compact design and easy operation--fits in any backpack or travel bag
  • Easy Fill Bottle Adaptor attaches directly to a drinking bottle

Activated carbon is used for its ability to reduce harmful organic and inorganic substances in the water. It removes unpleasant tastes, odors, chlorine, pesticides (lindane, DDT) and trihalomethanes (THMs). These substances adhere to the large surface area of the activated carbon. Activated carbon granulate cannot be regenerated.

Feature Detail:

  • Technology: AntiClog Technology with 0.3 micron glassfiber and activated carbon granulate
  • Output: ca. 1 liters/minute
  • Cartridge Capacity: Up to 750 l (depending on water quality)
  • Weight: ca. 310 g
  • Size: 7.6 x 16.5 x 6.1 cm (3 x 6.5 x 2.4 inches)
  • Includes: Prefilter, bottle adapter and carry bag

Why Treat Water?
A crystal-clear stream or lake usually contains microorganisms that can make you sick. Water contaminants like protozoa, bacteria and viruses, can cause serious illness. Optimize your travel preparation and use a portable drinking water system from Katadyn.

About Katadyn
Katadyn of Switzerland has been producing high quality portable water systems since 1928. Their history has been one of innovation and durability. Katadyn products are used by militaries, health organizations and outdoor adventurers world-wide. No other water system provides higher quality or longer lasting performance. Katadyn is the global leader in portable water treatment. With subsidiaries in the United States, Germany, France, and Singapore; Katadyn develops, produces and distributes high quality products which are used whenever safe drinking water isn't available--for travel, camping and humanitarian operations.

The Katadyn Hiker is the best selling micro filter in the US outdoor market. Lightweight and easy to use design is the best choice for all around use. Unique, pleated cartridge design provides fast and easy pumping. Convenient and handy for 1-2 people. Compatible with hydration bladders. Includes pre-filter, bottle adapter and carry bag.


Sunday, January 22, 2012

Katadyn Vario Multi Flow Water Microfilter

Katadyn Vario Multi Flow Water Microfilter Review



Katadyn Vario Multi Flow Water Microfilter Feature

  • A simple turn engages a ceramic pre-filter for long life in dirty water or a pleated glass fiber filter in normal conditions
  • Produces up to two quarts per minute in the faster flow mode and one quart per minute in longer life mode
  • Replaceable carbon core keeps water tasting fresh; reduces chemicals, odors, and toxins throughout the life of the cartridge
  • Dual piston technology provides maximum output with minimum effort
  • Adapter base attaches directly to water bottles or an output hose can be used to fill hydration systems or larger containers
A member of Katadyn's Backcountry Series of water filters, the Vario Multi Flow Water Microfilter is the first water filter that is adjustable for different conditions. It combines two leading technologies into one high-performance pump: ceramic for a longer life and pleated glass fiber for easy operation. The Vario offers a high output and also contains a replaceable carbon core to keep the water tasting fresh.

Key Details:

  • Output: Up to 2 quarts (2 liters) per minute
  • Cartridge Capacity: Up to 500 gallons (1875 liters)
  • Weight: 15 ounces
  • Height: 6.5 inches
  • Hose Length: 36 inches
  • Includes prefilter, cleaning pad, and deluxe carry bag

About Katadyn
Katadyn of Switzerland has been producing high quality portable water systems since 1928. Their history has been one of innovation and durability. Katadyn products are used by militaries, health organizations and outdoor adventurers world-wide. No other water system provides higher quality or longer lasting performance. Katadyn is the global leader in portable water treatment. With subsidiaries in the United States, Germany, France, and Singapore; Katadyn develops, produces, and distributes high quality products which are used whenever safe drinking water isn't available--for travel, camping and humanitarian operations.

From Backpackgeartest.org
The Katadyn Vario Microfilter is part of the backcountry series filter line. The manufacturer indicates this filter line is good for all round use. The manufacturer claims that this filter meets the industry standards for reduction of bacteria (99.9999% Klebsiella terrigena) and protozoan cysts (99.9 % Giardia and Cryptosporidium)...read the entire review
The Vario combines individual efficiency with the simplest possible handling. The technology it uses consists of three filter levels: a high-performance glass fiber filter, a ceramic pre-filter that can be adjusted indiv


Saturday, January 21, 2012

Katadyn Hiker PRO Water Microfilter

Katadyn Hiker PRO Water Microfilter Review



Katadyn Hiker PRO Water Microfilter Feature

  • Convenient filter for 1 to 2 persons while hiking or camping
  • Removable filter protector extends cartridge life in challenging conditions
  • Compact design and easy operation--fits in any backpack or travel bag
  • Allows direct attachment to drink tube (1/4" ID) of hydration
  • Additional hydration connector fitting for quick filling of hydration packs
The best-selling Katadyn Hiker just got better with the Hiker Pro Microfilter. The lightweight and easy-to-use design make the Hiker/Hiker Pro the best choice for all-around use. The unique, pleated cartridge design provides fast and easy pumping, and it's convenient and handy for 1-2 persons while hiking or trekking. The Hiker Pro adds the following features to the original Hiker:
  • Removable filter protector extends cartridge life in challenging conditions
  • Quick connect fittings make installation and removal of input and output hoses easy
  • Allows direct attachment to drink tube (1/4" ID) of hydration
  • Additional hydration connector fitting for quick filling of hydration packs

Key Features:

  • Long lasting AntiClog pleated cartridge requires no maintenance or cleaning
  • Very large filter surface for fast output
  • Easy to use because of minimal resistance whilst pumping
  • Active carbon core reduces unpleasant tastes and odors from the water
  • Small pre-filter on in-hose protects filter cartridge life in turbid water
  • Compact design and easy operation--fits in any backpack or travel bag
  • Easy Fill Bottle Adaptor attaches directly to a drinking bottle

Activated carbon is used for its ability to reduce harmful organic and inorganic substances in the water. It removes unpleasant tastes, odors, chlorine, pesticides (lindane, DDT) and trihalomethanes (THMs). These substances adhere to the large surface area of the activated carbon. Activated carbon granulate cannot be regenerated.

Feature Detail:

  • Technology: AntiClog Technology with 0.3 micron glassfiber and activated carbon granulate
  • Output: ca. 1 liters/minute
  • Cartridge Capacity: Up to 750 l (depending on water quality)
  • Weight: ca. 310 g
  • Size: 7.6 x 16.5 x 6.1 cm (3 x 6.5 x 2.4 inches)
  • Includes: Prefilter, bottle adapter and carry bag

Why Treat Water?
A crystal-clear stream or lake usually contains microorganisms that can make you sick. Water contaminants like protozoa, bacteria and viruses, can cause serious illness. Optimize your travel preparation and use a portable drinking water system from Katadyn.

About Katadyn
Katadyn of Switzerland has been producing high quality portable water systems since 1928. Their history has been one of innovation and durability. Katadyn products are used by militaries, health organizations and outdoor adventurers world-wide. No other water system provides higher quality or longer lasting performance. Katadyn is the global leader in portable water treatment. With subsidiaries in the United States, Germany, France, and Singapore; Katadyn develops, produces and distributes high quality products which are used whenever safe drinking water isn't available--for travel, camping and humanitarian operations.

New high performance version of the Katadyn Hiker. Combines both light, fast and easy to use with field cleability. Very lightweight at only 11oz!


Wednesday, January 18, 2012

Katadyn Hiker PRO Replacement Cartridge

Katadyn Hiker PRO Replacement Cartridge Review



Katadyn Hiker PRO Replacement Cartridge Feature

  • Replacement cartidge for Katadyn Hiker and Hiker Pro water filter systems
  • Provides up to 200-gallon capacity (depending on water quality)
  • Removable filter protector extends cartridge life in challenging conditions
  • Glass-fiber element is pleated for increased surface area to handle silt and muddy water
This replacement filter is compatible with Katadyn's Hiker, Hiker Pro, and Base Camp microfilter systems, and provides up to 200 gallons of clean drinking water before it needs replacing. A removable filter protector helps extend cartridge life in extreme conditions, and a glass fiber element boasts an innovative pleated design, increasing surface area for improved filtration of silty or muddy water.

Warranty
All Katadyn products include a limited three-year warranty against defects in materials and workmanship.

About Katadyn
Water treatment products are in high demand for outdoor enthusiasts, international travelers, relief groups, and preparedness-minded individuals. The Swiss company Katadyn provides users with a water system for every need, including traveling, camping, backpacking, sailing, paddling, fishing, biking, and anytime you need to, as the company says, "make water drinking water." Replacement element for the Katadyn Hiker, Hiker Pro and Base Camp Microfilters


Tuesday, January 3, 2012

Katadyn TRK Drip Gravidyn Water Filter

Katadyn TRK Drip Gravidyn Water Filter Review



Katadyn TRK Drip Gravidyn Water Filter Feature

  • Practical filter for long-term use like camps and construction sites
  • For 1 to 6 persons
  • Gravity filter--convenient water filtration without pumping
  • Comes with three combined ceramic and activated carbon filter elements
  • Ceramic filters can be cleaned several times
The Katadyn TRK Drip Gravidyn free-standing gravity filter features a 10 liter water container for large quantities of water. It's ideal for the water supply for camps, cabins and homes without running water. This Gravidyn version comes with three combined ceramic and activated carbon filter elements.

Ceramic filters have a micro porous structure with impregnated silver which delays the growth of bacteria. The pore-size of Katadyn ceramic filters is 0.2 micron (0.0002 mm). Bacteria range in size from 0.2 to 5 micron and, like protozoa (1 to 15 micron), are efficiently filtered out. Ceramic filters can be mechanically regenerated and the filter capacity is measurable.

Activated carbon is used for its ability to reduce harmful organic and inorganic substances in the water. It removes unpleasant tastes, odors, chlorine, pesticides (lindane, DDT) and trihalomethanes (THMs). These substances adhere to the large surface area of the activated carbon. Activated carbon granulate cannot be regenerated.

Specifications:

  • Technology: 0.2 micron ceramic depth filter
  • Output: ca. 4 liters/hour
  • Cartridge Capacity: Up to 150'000 l (depending on water quality)
  • Carbon Capacity: Recommended to change after 6 months
  • Weight: ca. 3.3 kg
  • Size: 25 x 45 cm (9.8 x 17.7 inches)

Why Treat Water?
A crystal-clear stream or lake usually contains microorganisms that can make you sick. Water contaminants like protozoa, bacteria and viruses, can cause serious illness. Optimize your travel preparation and use a portable drinking water system from Katadyn.

About Katadyn
Katadyn of Switzerland has been producing high quality portable water systems since 1928. Their history has been one of innovation and durability. Katadyn products are used by militaries, health organizations and outdoor adventurers world-wide. No other water system provides higher quality or longer lasting performance. Katadyn is the global leader in portable water treatment. With subsidiaries in the United States, Germany, France, and Singapore; Katadyn develops, produces and distributes high quality products which are used whenever safe drinking water isn't available--for travel, camping and humanitarian operations.

No pumping required - water container with built-in ceramic filters. Used and trusted by relief agencies around the globe for many years.


Thursday, December 29, 2011

Katadyn Mini Ceramic Water Microfilter

Katadyn Mini Ceramic Water Microfilter Review



Katadyn Mini Ceramic Water Microfilter Feature

  • The lightest, most compact filter on the market
  • Small size fits in coat pocket or waist pack
  • Ideal for travel and day hiking
  • Exclusive cleanable silver impregnated ceramic lasts up to 2000 gallons
  • Self contained intake hose stores inside filter body
The smallest and lightest water filter available! Fits in coat pocket or waist pack. Exclusive silver impregnated ceramic prohibits bacterial growth and lasts up to 2000 gallons. Cleanable 0.2 micron element removes bacteria and cysts such as Giardia and Cryptosporidium. 30” input hose, cleaning brush, measuring gauge all contained within the body of the filter. Ideal for travel and day hiking. Wt. 8oz., Ht. 7”. Includes prefilter, bottle clip, cleaning pad and zippered carry case.


Katadyn Quick Fill Hydration Adaptor Accessory

Katadyn Quick Fill Hydration Adaptor Accessory Review



Katadyn Quick Fill Hydration Adaptor Accessory Feature

  • Fits any water filter with an output hose
  • Allows fast filling of hydration bladders without opening pack
  • Fits hydration packs with 1/4 inch drink tube and bladders with quick release hoses
Easily connects a water filter to hydration pack. Quick Release fittings easily fill hydration bladders via drink tube.


Thursday, December 22, 2011

Katadyn Pocket Water Microfilter

Katadyn Pocket Water Microfilter Review



Katadyn Pocket Water Microfilter Feature

  • Pocket water filter designed four outdoor enthusiasts and international travelers
  • Filter's silver-impregnated ceramic element is effective against bacteria and protozoa
  • Filters all microorganisms larger than 0.2 microns to produce clear, drinkable water
  • Round pump handle for easy pumping; outlet hose attaches to containers with clip
Water treatment products are in high demand for outdoor enthusiasts, international travelers, and relief agencies. Few are better for long-lasting continuous use, however, than the Katadyn Pocket water microfilter. Made of heavy-duty materials, the Pocket features a silver-impregnated ceramic element that's effective against bacteria and protozoa even in extreme conditions. Unlike disposable filters, the ceramic element can be cleaned several times, even in the field. More importantly, the element filters all microorganisms larger than 0.2 microns (0.0002mm), producing clear, drinkable water no matter where in the world you are. The pump also includes an improved, round pump handle for better ergonomics and an outlet hose that attaches to water containers with a single clip.

The Pocket hails from Katadyn's Endurance series, a high-quality line of filters that produce up to 100 times more water than standard water filters. The Pocket is so tough, in fact, that it's the first choice for extreme adventurers like Mike Horn. Plus, it's the only water filter with a 20-year warranty. Other features include a measuring gauge that indicates when you should change the filtering element, a cushioned base that makes it easy to pump on all surfaces, a prefilter, and a carrying bag.

Why Water Filtration Is Important
The World Health Organization (WHO) attributes 80 percent of all travel diseases to contaminated drinking water. Drinking water contains three groups of pathogenic microorganisms: viruses, such as hepatitis A, Norwalk virus, or poliovirus; bacteria, like e-coli, salmonella, and cholera; and protozoans, such as giardia and cryptosporidium. Tap water and ice cubes are usually the culprits when traveling, but even bottled water can be questionable. The backcountry is also a source of waterborne illness. A pristine stream may be safe one day and contaminated the next, as microorganisms stemming from human and animal waste are typically spread by rain and runoff. As a result, the U.S. Center for Disease Control and Prevention recommends treating water from every source in the backcountry.

Specifications:

  • Usage: 1 to 4 people
  • Capacity: 13,000 gallons
  • Dimensions: 2.4 by 10 inches
  • Output: 1 quart per minute
  • Technology: 0.2-micron ceramic depth filter (cleanable)
  • Weight: 20 ounces
About Katadyn
The Switzerland-based Katadyn has been producing high-quality portable water systems since 1928. Katadyn products are used by militaries, health organizations, and outdoor adventurers worldwide, making it the global leader in portable water treatment. With subsidiaries in the U.S., Germany, France, and Singapore, Katadyn products are used wherever safe drinking water isn't available, whether for travel, camping, or humanitarian applications.

The most rugged, longest lasting microfilter available. Chosen by the U.S. military and expeditions due to it's extreme durability and dependability. For those who want the best.